i wonder if actors ever get their scripts and are like
well this is fucking stupid
is this a reaction or an example
i can’t get over this fucking gif look at him look how devastated he is he was so certain that captain rum was the right answer who does he think he is
This is a very complicated question (and I’m afraid I haven’t the time to give it the meta it deserves), but I would say the answer is yes and no.
Yes, Loki was most definitely the villain. How much of that was a result of his upbringing/his birth/his family/torture can be debated until the cows come home, but it doesn’t change the fact that he made the choices he made and now he has to live with the fallout. ((do i hold out hope that loki will eventually realise that he did wrong and seek redemption. do i voraciously devour every loki redemption fic i can get my hands on. do i put forth my loki-as-an-avenger au at every opportunity. HE CK YES but he still murdered people and tried to take away their freedom and that is not cool))
Bucky, in comparison, really was not in control of his own actions. He had no freedom to make his own choices - from the moment he fell he was brainwashed and tortured until he was completely under the control of his handlers. There was no free will involved in his choices until he began to break loose from the brainwashing - and I think everyone would agree that once he comes to his senses he’s going to feel horrifically guilty for every single thing he did as the Winter Soldier even though it wasn’t his fault. Loki, by contrast, seemed rather proud of his actions and only felt badly that he hadn’t succeeded.
I love Loki a lot and I want more than anything for him to realise that what he did was wrong but he was decidedly a villain. Bucky was brainwashed and did not make his choices of his own free will and is not a villain.
REXY I AM HIJACKING THIS ASK BECAUSE I HAVE TOO MANY FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.
Loki is a villain, Bucky is a victim. THEY ARE LITERALLY OPPOSITE CHARACTER ARCHETYPES.
So, first, Loki is all about control - he wants to be in control, to take control away from those who have it, his biggest fear is not having that control. He’s always, always three steps and a jump ahead of everyone else on the board. Do his plans always work out? No, but he still has ended his most recent arc sitting on a throne and laughing. This is villain behavior. What makes Loki such a wonderful character is what a magnificent little shit he is. He’s certainly a character worth pitying at times, but not for long - Loki does not stay down long. Sure, he failed at his genocide of the ice giants and probably got tortured by the alien dudes in Avengers, but, again, I reference the end of Thor 2. With the throne and the laughing.
Then we have Bucky. Bucky. Oh, shit, Bucky Barnes. I don’t even like the first Cap movie’s plot all that much but let me tell you my feelings about Bucky Barnes. Rexy really hit the nail on the head because Bucky is never in control, even before he’s the Winter Soldier. Bucky is drafted and sent to war, tortured, saved by the skinny kid he’s spent most of his life protecting who is suddenly this huge warrior, and sent tumbling off a train after trying to fight. Then, of course, there’s the 70+ years of brainwashing and torture. Bucky has no control. Bucky is not the villain - he’s a gun, a weapon, he’s the attack dog that’s let off of a chain. There is no choice or planning with him, he goes where he is pointed. Watch Cap 2, the scene where they wipe him, and tell me that he is anything but a victim.
Loki makes bad choices and then bad things happen to him but he still has the upper hand. Bucky follows his best friend into war and is obliterated as a result.
Can we just. Can we not with the Bucky and Loki comparisons? They’re both great characters but they’re not similar like. At all. To try and shoehorn them into the same category completely undermines their individual character arcs.
do u ever have that default username that you always use and if a site already has it taken youre like . speechless
do you ever notice how like, we have our own language for fanfic that only readers understand?
“36k wip destiel hs au on ao3”
I can’t believe I understood all those words
oh my god